Dateline: sometime in the future.
“Now what?” That’s the question that’s plaguing me constantly these days. Last we read, mom was in the middle of cancer treatment. So where are we? Well, the news is good. In fact, it’s so stupendously good that it would simply have been unbelievable at the outset.
I refer to the fact that my mother has proven to be a trouper beyond all belief. She handled chemotherapy extremely well. Her only notable side effect was hair loss, and a bit of minor fatigue toward the end. But heck, she’s in her late 80’s and if she’s a bit fatigued, well, she’s earned it. But better than the lack of side-effects, the chemo did its job. Her main tumor did shrink down and develop a distinct boundary. The rest of the cancer was vanquished by the chemo. After a very successful, single, radical mastectomy in late September that also included the removal of several lymph nodes, the pathologist’s report came back negative: no cancer was detected in her remaining tissues.
The news was so good, it was hard to believe. We had a small celebration. Six months prior I felt pretty convinced that the chemo alone would kill my mother. Now she is cancer-free.
Of course those of you who understand cancer realize it isn’t quite this simple. Her handsome oncologist warned that there still could be a few undetected cancerous cells floating around that might still cause trouble. So he prescribed a course of radiation therapy and additional chemo.
So in mid-December, mom finished doing daily radiation therapy, five days a week. That mostly went well, but she’s got a nasty burn on her chest that’s slowly healing. Now she’s resumed chemo which will run through the end of February. After that, any remaining cancer cells should have been blown well into oblivion. And then, mom should be spit out the other side of the system, stamped “cured.”
Then what? Frankly, it’s not an easy question to answer. For me, staying here forever is not an option. Leaving my mother here alone is out of the question. Since I arrived, she decided that it was best to stop driving, a decision I fully support. In addition to the cancer, she has macular degeneration, and from conversation it’s pretty clear her vision isn’t up to driving. And she’s become forgetful, and all of that combined with the various aches and pains of age means she needs someone around to look after her. She doesn’t need a nurse, just a responsible adult who can drive, and help with odds and ends. She’s also at some risk of falling, though stricter adherence to using her walker seems to have solved that problem. Fortunately she wasn’t hurt in the couple of spills she took earlier in the year.
So now what? I’ve thought of a lot of potential solutions, but I have yet to settle on any of them. My initial idea was to take her to Mexico City to live there with me, or perhaps close to me, with a live-in maid who could handle much of what I’m doing for her now. In some ways, that’s still not a bad plan. Financially it works, and it puts me back in CDMX, a place I miss very much. But it would also make my mother entirely dependent on me for everything, including companionship. And while I’d like to spend more time with her than in the past, I’d also like her to have her own life too, with her own friends. As a non-Spanish speaker, that’d be difficult in Mexico City.
I also thought about moving her to Boston, but that’s fraught with difficulties. First, my house is 2 story, and there’s no getting around the stairs. The bedrooms and bath are upstairs, while everything else is on the ground floor. Even getting into the house requires going up 4 stairs at a minimum. I briefly considered building an addition onto the back of my house that my mother could live in. But then I’d be tied to Boston more-or-less permanently. And I’d certainly not be able to easily run off to Mexico or Turkey or India or anywhere else I’d like to see, because someone would still need to look after my mother. Boston is also one of the more expensive cities in the USA, which pretty much rules out her getting her own place there. Alas, finances are a constraint too.
Then I thought about maybe trying to find her an assisted living place not too far from Mexico City. My former upstairs neighbor in CDMX, Carole, said there was an assisted living place with Gringos in Cuernavaca. Unfortunately, neither of us have been able to actually locate that one. Maybe it doesn’t even exist. Who knows? (If you do, please leave a comment.) Then I started Googling for places near San Miguel de Allende on the theory that it’s only 4 hours away from CDMX and would be easy enough to visit regularly. Certainly lack of Gringos shouldn’t be a problem there. It turns out there are a couple of places about 10 KM north of SMA that look nice. But I emailed a friend who lives in SMA and she said that some of her friends had had spotty experiences there, primarily due to the lack of medical facilities. Now, I haven’t ruled out those places, but a red flag has been raised.
Aside from her cancer, my mother has been pretty healthy, but she’s now nearly 90. Sooner or later health care is going to become more important. And for the next five years, she’ll need to see an oncologist every 3-6 months to nip any recurrence in the bud. So that makes SMA somewhat challenging.
The next obvious place is Ajijic. There are loads of Gringos there, along with plenty of assisted living facilities, and a climate I know my mother would love. I’d really like to see her in a place where she can connect with other Americans, or at least fluent English speakers. Though she’s said she’s willing to try to learn Spanish (kudos, mom!), I’m skeptical that she’d be able to learn enough quickly enough to socialize with Mexicans successfully. There are also good hospitals in nearby Guadalajara if the need should arise.
The only real problem with Ajijic is that I neither want to live there, nor do I want to live in Guadalajara. Still, I did do some quick searches on real estate there, and it’s surprisingly cheaper than Mexico City, maybe 35% less, perhaps even less than that. Moreover, decrepit but large colonial houses can be had in the Centro for cheap. But while Guadalajara has a lot going for it, I just didn’t feel like it clicked for me when I spent a week there in 2014. Still, I could probably have a fine life in there, and it’s certainly got loads of gay people who seem to be everywhere. But it’s also full of ugly buildings (my biggest objection), much more so than CDMX. And it’s a much more conservative place than CDMX too. Oh, and the climate is on average 8°F hotter than CDMX. So I was a little on the sweaty side running around the city.
Meanwhile, the fact that Medicare doesn’t cover services in Mexico is also a potential issue. Yes, I realize that cash prices for basic medical care in Mexico are quite affordable, but they could still add up for an elderly person. One thing I’ve considered is moving us to Mexico, but getting my mother established with a doctor in, say, Laredo. We could then go there from time to time, relying on Mexican medicine for emergencies. Of course that’s not an ideal solution. Mom gets monthly injections in her eyes to treat the macular degeneration. I suspect that driving from either GDL or CDMX to Laredo every month would get old fast, though such injections could probably be had in either one of those Mexican cities. The question then is cost.
So I’m still mulling the question of what to do. By the end of February mom will be done with her cancer treatments and her next chapter can begin. Any suggestions? Does anyone know of a good assisted living facility for Gringos in Mexico?
Saludos and thanks for reading and for any suggestions you might have.
Christine said:
I think there might be a couple of nice assisted living places in Puerta Vallarta.
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Kim G said:
Hola Christine! I’ll do some Googling, though personally I have zero interest in living through summers on the Mexican coast. But winters could be very nice. If you have any names or leads, they’d be much appreciated. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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Philip said:
When I first read this post, I was tempted to add my two cents. But then I realized, I don’t know your mother, or you, so how would I know what is best for you? The only thing I have in common with your Mother is I am the same age. How long has she lived in Redding, and what brought her there?
I am not sure up-rooting her and taking her to Mexico is the solution, if she has any old friends in Redding. I know many of my friends have passed on, but that doesn’t lessen the bond. The fewer I have, the more important to keep in touch. Of course, with cheap phone service, distance is not the problem it once was. I have one friend who moved back to California, but she kept her Sedona cell phone number, so her friends can call her at any time. (I have no idea if this would work if you moved to Mexico).
You know, as you get older, making new friends is not easy. Older folks have little to talk about, except health, and old memories. Hobbies fade away, and you don’t want to her sombody else’s problems.
Regarding Medicare, I think it should be down low in your list of considerations. Who knows, it may be broke, or severely cut back in a few years. And it does not cover all of my medical expenses. It really is catastrophic coverage only. I suspect, with lower medical costs in Mexico, my total annual costs would not be much different. Of course, extended hostipalization changes everything.
Finally, have you asked your Mother what she would like? To assure her happiness, you must consider her wishes.
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Kim G said:
Hola Philip,
Thanks for the kind comment. Yes, I have discussed everything with my mother. And of course there are details I don’t wish to share here in a public forum. But yes, I want her to be happy and friendship is an important part of that. We haven’t yet reached any decisions, so we’ll see what happens. Thanks for your comment. Saludos!
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Diane Rockerhousen said:
The worst part of being dependent in the US is isolation. After caring for 2 elderly mothers in US I really wished that we had all moved to MX for the medical care and community socialization. A your age you’re thinking one lifestyle she another. She would probably be happy with a place where she could be outside and conveniently chat with people without having to walk long distances or having to be driven to a destination. Ajijic would be a good choice, nice weather, plenty of English speakers and senior citizens. Maybe a 2 story house, you upstairs, her downstairs where she can feel more independent, possibly in the center plaza. Even if she had doctor appointments it would feel better than being isolated at her house in Redding. Being a caregiver is very difficult work so try to find something that gives everyone some pleasure, Big smiles for you and your mom.
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Kim G said:
Hola Diane! Good points, all. And yes, I’m particularly concerned that my mother not become isolated. She needs more social interaction than just me. But one thing that this whole process has taught me, especially lately, is that I don’t have to make any “forever” decisions right now. So we’ll see. Saludos and thanks for stopping by.
Future comments (with same name, email, etc) should become visible immediately.
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Steve Cotton said:
Great news about your Mom. I am going through some of the same issues with mine. She lives in Bend near my brother and sister-in-law. But they come down here for months.This year she will join all of us for two or three months.
Next month is her 90th birthday, and she has some of the usual medical issues of aging. I thought of moving her down here to enjoy the better weather. But there are plenty of issues. None of her multitude of networks exist here. She is quite social. That is fine for the few months the northerners are here. On the other hand, she has long conversations in English with my Spanish-speaking neighbors. They patienty listen.
I thought of hiring a companion. But language is the primary concern. And she would want more social stimulation than that. She needs to talk about music, politics, the books she is reading, her Bible studies, philosophy. What I need is a retired college professor.
And then there is the Medicare issue. I will personally fight to the death against the extension of Medicare to expatriates in foreign countries. We do not need Medicare doing to Mexico what it has done to American medicine. That means the cost of her care will fall on her — or me. And that is a fine bargain. After all, she sacrificed a lot for my brother and me when we were kids.
So, I await anxiously your solution.
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Kim G said:
Hola Steve,
Thanks for the lovely reply. Yes, it’s easier to provide for one’s mother’s physical needs in Mexico than it is to provide for the social needs. That’s why I’m thinking Ajijic. But then I occasionally think that’s fraught with its own problems. Meanwhile, treatment here continues to drag on. There are so many questions, and few answers. Have you considered Ajijic for your mother? It might be a good option. But at least you have siblings to help in Bend, and it’s nice that she can be with you for a couple of months there, no matter how cold it might be. 😉
Saludos and thanks for stopping by.
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Lee Steele said:
I’ve finally gotten around to reading this post. My own eldercare issues have gotten the best of me. My Dad just came home from the hospital after being dehydrated from drinking nothing but coffee for the last 92 years. Mom was sure glad to see him. She’s 88, but I do remember three years ago when we took them both to Yucatan, that Mexico really agreed with them. At the end of our week, they were more limber and alert. I think it cleared up the cobwebs in their brains. Mom was even managing stairs like a pro. I’ve often felt it was a mistake to ever use those return tickets. If we’d stayed, though, the heat would have been difficult for them. But Yucatán is flat and people are sociable: two good points in its favor. If only they had the senior living facilities more common in other parts of Mexico.
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Kim G said:
Hola Lee! Yes, I can’t but help thinking that Mexico would be great for my mother. She’d be exposed to a TON of new things, and as you know, all the research says that’s good for the brain. I now know much better what you and Paul are going through. Despite this post, I’m still at something of a loss as to what to actually do. My mother has resumed chemo and it seems to be more tiring to her than the last time. We shall see. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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florentinogutierrezr said:
Kim! Wonderful, just wonderful news about your mom’s recovery, she really is an iron woman with so many blessing, and one of the biggest is having such a wonderful son. I rescued the notification of your post from the spam folder — and I’ve been reading it with a content heart. Just last night Popo and I were watching TV about some wonderful places in Mexico and I said, I wonder what Kim is up to now… could it be that’s he’s considering other places to move in to? Turns out you were!!!!! So far I’ve seen very good comments about SMA and Ajijic… Monterrey also has top medical facilities in the country, but I’m afraid it’s not the kind of place you would choose to live, considering the weather in the first place. Right now there’s a bunch of sunny and warm places in Mexico, but here I’m with fingers and toes freezing. Probably not a place to live, but a place to consider in case your mom would need a medical procedure or something hospital-related. I’m so glad about all the good news and I’m looking forward to seeing you again and meeting your mom SOON! Hasta pronto.
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Kim G said:
Hola Tino!
Thanks so much for the kind thoughts. Yes, my mother has been very strong through this whole ordeal. Her burn is still healing and now she’s doing chemo again, so it’s getting a bit tougher. We are both looking forward to the end of treatment. Then we’ll see what the next adventure holds. Saludos y un gran abrazo!
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Fred V said:
Hi, Kim: Here is another option to consider. Perhaps your mom could consider moving to a senior home or nursing home facility in a lower cost state? One of my reasons for moving to Texas is because of the lower cost of everything. If you decided to spend some time in Mexico, your mom would be closer to both Boston and Mexico by living in Texas and she could still use Medicare.
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Kim G said:
Hola Fred!
That’s a terrific idea, in fact one that I have considered. And as I’m increasingly thinking about, it wouldn’t necessarily have to be a permanent solution, though I don’t want to be moving my mother all over the place either. Still, Texas has a lot to offer too and I have considered it. Thanks for your comments here; I totally appreciate them. Saludos y un abrazo!
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Felipe Zapata said:
Sometimes you have to go with the best of imperfect options. In this case, it is Ajijic/Guadalajara.
I put this in the bucket labeled “No-Brainer.”
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Kim G said:
Hola Felipe,
Yes, you are probably right. I’m not sure it’s a no-brainer, but Ajijic/Guadalajara do have a lot going for them. Saludos and thanks for commenting.
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babsofsanmiguel said:
Hi Kim! A HUGE congratulation to your Mom for having gone through and survived all the chemo and radiation at her age. She must be one heck of a fighter……I’m so proud of both of you as I know how hard it is on the caregiver as well. I will say that Ajijic might turn out to be the perfect solution. The medical facilities with the ABC Hospital in Guadalajara could work well. And Ajijic is full of ex-pats. Way more the SMA. The sidewalks are smooth and it is more level then SMA. I can tell you that I have realized in the last six months that SMA is not for anyone who is not agile and able to walk easily……….There are great medical facilities in Queretaro, 45 minutes away. Oh my, lots to think about for you and your Mom. I’m glad I did the move at 59. Today I would not have the tenacity or courage to do so……..She is so lucky to have you!
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Kim G said:
Hola Barbara!
Thanks so much for the kind words. Yes, SMA’s terrain worries me for my mother too. I’m not sure how well a walker would work on cobblestone, probably not well. I had meant to visit Ajijic in 2014 when I did my Great Mexican Road Trip, but by the time I got to Guadalajara, I was just tired of traveling, so I skipped it. Little did I know that I’d be needing it soon enough. In any case, we’ll be trying to see places and facilities and then we’ll see what my mother likes. Thanks for the wonderful comment. Saludos y un abrazo!
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garydenness said:
Methinks that when mum is fit to travel, a month long holiday in Mexico might be a great idea. She might love it. But, I guess, she might not. It seems to me that for some people as they age, familiarity is important. For others, it’s less so. Only one way to find out! But regardless, I’m very pleased for you both that things have worked out so well. Your dilemmas going forward aren’t half what they were…
I’ve been pondering where to retire in Mexico. Mexico City will probably be a place I’d like to regularly visit when I’m old, rather than inhabit. Queretaro is my current favourite. All the charm of a colonial town with all the benfits of a modern, sophisticated city, and it’s close to all my favourite places. I have no idea what sort of expat community there is town though, beyond Frank Koughan. And I suspect he’s a bit busy to become a full time companion just yet. But Guadalajara doesn’t appeal to me so much either. I stopped there once for a week. It was a nice place to rest having roughed it for a few weeks. I didn’t miss it much when I left. Indeed, I have not got a single photo to show for my time there.
I look forward to seeing what happens with ‘what now’. Don’t leave your next post so long, amigo!
Saludos!
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Kim G said:
Hola Gary!
I’m wondering about how much my mother would enjoy such a trip myself. The fact is that she uses a walker and tires easily. Those two factors make me think that any trip could be exhausting. On the other hand, seeing some new things could be a good way for her to start to get out of a rut. We shall see. I’m also somewhat torn between driving and flying. Each has its own advantage and disadvantage. I guess we’ll see. In the mean time, I’ll try to post more often, but there’s been next to nothing Mexico-related to write about. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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raysparrowe said:
Kim, with respect to San Miguel de Allende: there is a health advocate, Deborah Bickel, based in San Miguel. She is highly respected by the expat community, many of whom are well on in years. I can think of no one who would know more about long term care in SMA. She and her small staff know the doctors, the hospitals, and all the ins and outs of living out one’s life in San Miguel. I believe she could offer a candid assessment of the two assisted living centers in the area, Casa Cienguita and Cielito Lindo. Deborah’s email is deborah@bewellsanmiguel.com. Incidentally, if you chose to live in CDMX, you’ll find that the ETN bus service to and from SMA is first rate.
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Kim G said:
Hola Ray! Thank you SO MUCH. This is the kind of comment that’s INCREDIBLY helpful. I will drop Deborah a line. Should I take her email out of this comment? Saludos and thanks again!
P.S. If you comment in the future, it should skip moderation and be immediately published.
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raysparrowe said:
¡De nada!
Seems to me that the people who comment here are kind, gracious and respectful – and wouldn’t misuse Deborah’s email. Speaking of people who post here, Babs of San Miguel has a good point when she comments (below) on its narrow sidewalks and cobblestone streets. If it makes a difference, Cielito Lindo is located in the Los Labradores community where many retirees live independently in homes or villas. The sidewalks are smooth and easily traversed by scooter, wheelchair, or walker. They have a daily shuttle into San Miguel proper. But Babs is right (as ususal!): San Miguel is not very friendly to those with limited mobility. Some of the places and activities that lend it such charm are impassible, and many others would require a companion.
You may have read the blog of Margaret Ellis who lives in San Miguel. (margaretellisaroundthehouse.com). Her blog is linked to Babs of San Miguel. If you haven’t read it, I recommend it to you. She received a cancer diagnosis and elected to stay in San Miguel for surgery, radiation, and chemo in Mexico. Her story is one of courage and resilience. She has very interesting things to say about medical treatment, especially her experiences with her chemotherapy oncologist.
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Kim G said:
Hola Ray!
Thanks for the follow-up comment. Yes, I’ll have to take a look at Margaret’s blog. Yesterday I watched a YouTube video put out by Cielto Lindo. Honestly it made me cringe a bit, but I guess we should go and visit them in person. Thanks again for the help. It is TRULY APPRECIATED. Happy New Year and may 2018 be fabulous for you. Saludos!
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YaYa Girl said:
I lived in Guadalajara for nearly a year back in the 90’s. I liked the city. I imagine it’s large enough for you to find like-minded friends.
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Kim G said:
Hola YaYa Girl (can I use your real name?)! Yes, I could probably have a fine life in Guadalajara, but CDMX is really my first choice. However we’ll see. As I’m increasingly learning, I don’t have to come up with a permanent solution on day 1 of my mother’s treatment-free status. And yes, I could certainly find friends there, not to mention a great project restoring an old colonial house in the Centro Historico. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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ladyofthecakes said:
Kim, I’ve only just caught up! Oh my, what a harrowing time you’ve been having… delighted to hear that the treatment has been successful, agains the odds, kudos to your mum 🙂 And now you’ve got to make some pretty big life decisions… never easy… and the perfect solution just doesn’t exist, does it?! Am also grappling with family issues, as you know, and can never stop asking myself whether I’ve made the right decision(s), whether I’m doing too little and what the next step is going to be, fumbling my way forward in the dark. Let’s see where and how this goes for all of us 🙂
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Kim G said:
Hola Simone! Indeed, I sometimes wonder whether I’m doing enough. And I’m struggling with the path forward. However, I’m beginning to realize that I won’t be able to develop a full plan, ex-ante, and thus just need to move forward and keep and open mind. Good luck to you with your own trials there. Our situations are really somewhat analogous. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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Croft Randle said:
Well, kudos to your mom, what a fighter! I have nothing to offer on facilities in Mexico but I know you will find a solution to the problem. It was good to hear from you and specially good to hear that your mom is doing so well!
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Kim G said:
Hola Croft!
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, we’ll figure something out. I’m coming around to the idea that it’s going to be a process, not an event. And so we’ll work our way toward something that works for both of us. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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Tancho said:
It is fantastic to hear your Mom doing so well. I was wondering what was going on since your last update and the news is great to hear. GDL would be a nice place because of the amount of gringos already there and the health care facilities available. With the autopista its about a 5 hr drive, which can get old, or you could fly there in an hour or so.
I am glad we built the house in Patzcuaro as a single story. It would have been a night mare during my recuperation in the wheelchair and walker. This is one of the smarter things I did, not knowing that it would be a lifesaver.
Medical costs are pretty affordable but as you say Medicare is useless, but the trade off is certainly something to look at. An assisted living facility in NCal is a minimum of around 8 to 10 K a month, at any place I would want to be at.
The nice thing about Mexico is their respect for elders which I now notice more and more each days as I walk around with a cane now, so I think if you can locate a place or even a small abode with a live in maid, or assistant would be quite affordable.
Since you are stuck on CDMX you have a little bit fewer options. I don’t think CDMX would be any place your mom would like, simply because of the hectic lifestyle.
I am sure you will have many responses to info on places in SMA which now with the highways finished as not a bad drive.
It’s nice to hear from you again, even greater to hear about the progress your Mom is having, and best wishes to both of your for the upcoming year!
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Kim G said:
Hola Tancho!
Thanks so much for the kind comment. Yes, assisted living in the USA is either insanely expensive, or scary, or both. While my mother isn’t exactly excited about the prospect of Mexico, I think if we go down there, it will grow on her. I think she’s at a point now where she doesn’t really realize how much better her life could be. She just needs to get well and then get out of the rut.
And yes, if I put her into a place in Ajijic, I won’t have to stay there forever. Maybe I’d stay with her for a few months and then reevaluate. I keep having to remind myself that it’s possible to find interim solutions; I don’t have to make permanent decisions now.
Saludos and thanks for stopping by.
¡Feliz Año Nuevo!
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William said:
That is marvelous news about your mom… a fantastic Christmas and New Year’s gift for the two of you. Now you have lots of decisions to make, but how fortunate you are that we are in the position where you have to think about such things.
Feliz Año Nuevo
Saludos,
Bill
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Kim G said:
Hola Bill! Yes, I am overjoyed that my mother has done so well. As I noted, I had feared that either chemo would be so bad that she’d want to stop it, or that it wouldn’t work. Fortunately the least expected outcome — complete pathologic remission — was what actually happened. By the way, good luck surviving this arctic blast. At least that’s one of the upsides to being stuck in California. We hit a high of 65° today, and the worst we’ve seen in terms of cold is some light frost in the mornings. In any case, saludos y un gran abrazo!
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Fred V said:
Hi, Kim. Your mom is the luckiest woman alive to have a son like you. I saw a 60-Minutes show a few months ago about a well-known senior home facility in San Miguel de Allende with a focus on care for Americans. They can live well for much less than the U.S. It has been run by a local family in that town for many years. Many of the American residents living there stated they were happy with the care, meals, accommodations and service. Some mentioned that the caretakers took their work to heart more than what they would receive in the U.S. But your mom has special needs and I don’t know if she would receive the specialized care that she needs because of her poor eyesight and recuperation from cancer treatments. I don’t recall the name of the place, but I do recall that the owner of the facility was planning on adding a golf course. Most of the residents seemed to be able to get around on their own, but some were in wheelchairs, too.
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Kim G said:
Hola Fred! I’ll have to see if the story from 60 minutes is on YouTube. I’m hoping that my mother and I can go to Mexico some time in the Spring to tour facilities. We’ll also give the place in SMA a chance. Mom is actually not in bad shape. Though her eyesight is not up to driving, she seems to have little other trouble. In any case, saludos y un gran abrazo!
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