Dateline: US Embassy, Mexico City
Some years ago, well after F and I were a definitive couple, we thought it’d be great if he could come and visit me in Boston. Though I had no intentions of subjecting him to winter (after all, I loved him), with his teacher’s schedule including summers off, coming for the summer seemed ideal. And it would save me some wear and tear, since I had been the one who always traveled to Mexico City. Not that I really minded. Mexico City is so different from Boston that it’s hard to even express. But let it suffice to say that the chaos, warmth (both climatic and personal), and nuttiness of Mexico City was the perfect antidote to a very high-pressure career in Boston, and I always cherished my time there.
Unlike most Mexicans, F had traveled extensively. He’d been to most of the countries in Western Europe, and at one point had a German boyfriend. I guess I wasn’t his first “exotic foreigner.” He’d also traveled in South America, Colombia principally, but I think he may also have visited Brazil. His passport was full of exotic stamps, and he always returned home to Mexico City. But he’d never been to the USA, and given his Mexican Leftist outlook, hadn’t been particularly desirous of going.
But once we were an “item,” the calculus changed. So we talked extensively about his coming to visit some day, and he finally acceded. I told him I would do everything possible to help him, though there wasn’t much I really could do. However (unbeknownst to my company), I wrote a letter on company letterhead explaining that F would come to the USA to visit me, and that I’d be responsible for him while he was here and that I’d ensure that he returned when he was supposed to. To my uneducated mind, this seemed like almost a sponsorship, something that suggested he wasn’t just going to cross the border willy-nilly and immediately begin illegally cutting lawns or (gasp!) selling tacos. He had a reason to visit the USA, and the fact that he’d been to many places in Europe and elsewhere also seemed to suggest he’d be unlikely to overstay his visa. I mean, if you’re not going to overstay a visa in Italy or Germany, why would you overstay in Boston?
Procedurally, if you’re a Mexican in Mexico City, getting a visa to the USA is a difficult and somewhat humiliating process. First you have to pay a non-refundable fee of about eighty dollars ($160 USD currently; thanks, JR!), then fill out a lengthy application with nearly your entire life story. Then, if you aren’t summarily rejected, you get an opportunity for an interview at our ugly, heavily-guarded embassy on Reforma in Mexico City.
Do you get an appointment at a particular hour? No. Instead you get a day, and you are asked to show up at the embassy at the ungodly hour of 7:00 AM, where you take your place in a long line that often snakes around the block. After waiting for something approaching an hour, you are finally ushered into a waiting room, where you are given a number and then you wait further for your interview.
F, who is not a morning person, showed up at the appointed time and had his interview, surprisingly in Spanish. (I guess Immigration is going soft these days.) And after all that trouble? He was summarily denied a visa on the spot. No review period, no “wait for the letter,” nothing suggesting any deliberation at all. When he asked why, he was handed a preprinted card stating that he had “not demonstrated sufficient ties to Mexico.” In short, one can only conclude that they thought he’d be likely to overstay his visa and become yet another illegal immigrant.
Now, I don’t know about the legal standard of “sufficient ties,” but F owns a condo outright where he has lived at least a decade, probably longer. He has a longstanding job teaching Spanish language and literature at a private high school. Though not married, he’s intimately tied to his family, spending every Sunday with his mother, brother and sister, along with various nieces. He’d also lived in DF virtually his entire life, so it’s not like he was some kind of drifter in Mexico either. And our relationship notwithstanding, he had zero desire to live in the USA. We were both stumped and mystified by his visa denial. So I suggested that he try again, which he did about a year later. Same result, same preprinted card with the same so-called reason to deny him.
At this point, I contacted an immigration attorney to see if there was anything else to be done. The attorney told me consular officials have almost complete discretion to deny entrance to anyone for any reason and that there was little we could do, especially in the case of a mere tourist visa. The only thing was that the attorney could write a formal letter to the US ambassador requesting a review of F’s case, but he thought it was a long shot. And at the end of the day, F, who had found the process humiliating and frustrating wasn’t keen to repeat the experience.
And I remained mystified. All of F’s friends who were similarly situated had been granted visas. Heck, even one of F’s co-workers at the same high school with a virtually identical set of circumstances had easily gotten a US visitor’s visa, yet F had been denied.
About a year later, I was attending a dinner party here in Boston, when the topic of visitor visas came up. My hostess knew a Brazilian/Gringa couple who had faced similar circumstances. The Gringa wanted her Brazilian lover to get a tourist visa, and he had been denied in a similar fashion to F. However, apparently this Gringa wasn’t as willing to take ‘no’ for an answer and did a lot of digging to better understand the situation. What she found out was that I, like Oedipus centuries before, had fulfilled the prophesy by tying to avoid it. Apparently the US Department of Immigration has a policy of denying visas to people they suspect have a love interest with an American citizen. Ostensibly such people are at higher risk of overstaying a visa than a mere tourist. Certainly they have reason. And so by trying to help with my “sponsorship letter,” I virtually ensured that F would be denied a visa. And that’s probably forever, though now that we’ve broken up, it’s probably more or less a moot point.
Moral of the story? If you want to help a Mexican or other foreigner to get a tourist visa, advise him or her to disavow any friendship with any gringo and instead state in the interview that he wants to go to Disneyland, go shopping, or some other touristic reason for going NOB. Because apparently part of the Immigration Department’s unstated mission is to impede any cross-border relationship that comes to their attention.
John Calypso said:
I hate the entire process – no fan of any kind of borders. Other people making decisions about where anyone can go on the planet is just crazy.
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Kim G said:
Hola John! Indeed, there’s something to be said for that. Why is it OK for me to move to Massachusetts from California, but if a Brit wants to do the same, it’s a major paperwork hassle? The whole concept of borders is artificial. And yes, there was also a sort of surreal quality to F’s visa denial; it just seemed so completely arbitrary. Saludos and thanks for commenting!
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garydenness said:
A paperwork hassle? Bar marrying an American, winning the lottery or getting an employment transfer with a multinational corporation, a Brit ain’t gonna be moving nowhere inside your borders on a permanent basis!
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Kim G said:
Hola Gary! Indeed. For a nation of immigrants, the USA has become quite xenophobic in recent years. We seem to have forgotten the economic and cultural vitality that foreigners bring with them. And we seem to be overlooking the fact that as an older and aging society, we need as many young, talented immigrants as we can get. But ignorance seems to have become something of a governing principle here, so I’m not holding my breath. Saludos and thanks for your thoughts!
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Dave Limcaco said:
Hi Kim.
This was great …. story…. omg. If only U knew what U know now!
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Kim G said:
Hola Dave! Indeed, what you say is so true of so many aspects of life, isn’t it? I never told F of what I learned. I figured it would be an unnecessary emotional blow. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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babsofsanmiguel said:
Two stories. The cardiologist I go to here in SMA also owns a Heart Institute in Queretaro. Dr. Alvarez decided to drive to Houston for a conference of cardiologists. At the Border, the US Customs guy said to him “How do we know you’ll come back to the border and go home?” His reply was “Why in the world would you think I would want to stay in the USA?” The US Customs guy sorta chuckled and let him enter. The rudeness is inexcusable, to me anyway.
Other story. When my daughter was first diagnosed with leukemia, she was seven months pregnant. They induced and had a healthy baby at seven months. We all needed help with Christopher so I could be with Jennifer………..the maid I had in Houston was from Honduras. Her mother was available to come and help. With a letter from me and her mother going to the Embassy in Honduras, she was on a plane within 4 days, heading to Houston and was there with us for 6 months. A true lifesaver………….I dislike intensely the stories I hear from people who try to go legally to the USA!
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Kim G said:
Hola Barbara!!! I love both stories, especially the one from the cardiologist. I mean, seriously, doesn’t the border patrol know that even a licensed doctor from another country has to pass US boards, and intern for a couple years again before he can practice? And I rather doubt your cardiologist was dying to be cutting lawns in Houston. These stories are so ridiculous. Of course my personal favorite was the hassle I endured leaving the country for my road trip through Mexico. But yeah, denying F still seems rather ridiculous. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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Croft said:
As Canadians driving across the US border from Canada we have experienced the same arbitrariness in some US border officials. Once I was on a company sponsored course in Vancouver, BC and decided to drive across the border for dinner at one of the waterfront restaurants on the US side. When I could not name the particular restaurant he asked, “Are there no restaurants in Canada?” and turned me back. I thought later that maybe it had to do with the fact that it was late afternoon and I had no luggage that maybe aroused suspicion. I can think of no other reason although you would think that having luggage for what you claim to be a two hour visit should be more suspicious.
As has been pointed out previously, it is up to the individual agent to deny you for any reason and he does not even have to give the reason. The agent in the next lane may very well have allowed me to carry on. It is the luck of the draw and when you are in the visa office or border area, you have no rights. It can be a humiliating experience.
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Kim G said:
Hola Croft! Jeeze…so you didn’t remember the name of the restaurant, or perhaps hadn’t yet picked it out, and thus were denied entry? And I can’t believe the question either. Seriously? Like one restaurant should be sufficient for all needs? (I know Canada has way more, LOL.) At least it was easy enough to turn around and drive back, but sheesh! That sounds ridiculous. Of course you remember my troubles with the US Border Patrol when I was *leaving* the USA in Laredo to start the Mexican leg of last year’s road trip. They were the most trouble I had on the entire trip. Anyway, thanks for commenting and saludos!
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Steve Cotton said:
Good to see you back. Interesting topic. I understand why obtaining an American visa is difficult, but I am baffled by its arbitrariness, I suspect that is what happens when we transition from being a system based on laws to a system based on regulations. (I take my Whig self for a walk now and then.)
My recent involvement with the communist Chinese government came to mind while I was reading your piece. I was amazed how quickly my visa was approved — since I was a sworn enemy of the current regime, and I have repeatedly published those ideas. But the visa was approved in minimum time. With no interview. Of course, if a person overstays an American visa, he can just melt into the vast crowd of illegal immigrants in The States. I have a feeling if I overstayed my Chinese visa (or my opinions became too well known), I would be immediately invited to leave China — or to remain permanently in accommodations not quite as nice as my hotel in Shanghai.
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Kim G said:
Steve: LOL… avowed enemy of the Chinese regime indeed. Just don’t post anything supportive of Falun Gong on your blog and you should be OK. But yes, I’ll *totally* agree with you on the irritation factor of the arbitrariness on the US visa process. After all, if they published detailed regulations, they could have saved us a few hundred dollars in application fees, if nothing else. They’d also need a smaller staff. But let’s all dream on, shall we? Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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Charles said:
Felipe is correct…there are visa assistance places all over GDL and the poor unsuspecting Mexicans (usually those who can least afford it) keep returning to them thinking its the only avenue. Fabian’s aunt has tried unsuccessfully 3 or 4 times using a lady who calls herself an immigration attorney…at $6000 MXP a pop. Fabian has tried to convince her its a scam and she could have much better luck by doing it herself as he did…but she won’t listen…and we all know what P.T. Barnum used to say…
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Kim G said:
I’m sorry Fabian’s aunt is falling for this. I could see doing it once, but repeatedly? If I did that, and they told me something new the second time, I’d be pissed they didn’t tell it to me the first time. And if they didn’t tell me anything new, I’d be pissed that I had paid to hear the same stuff all over again. More than once seems a bit crazy. Saludos and thanks for your comments.
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Felipe Zapata said:
There are businesses in Mexico that announce they’ll take care of everything for you in the visa process. From the sound of their ads, one is virtually guaranteed a visa going through these helpers. And they charge a sizable fee for their services, of course. Many years ago, a friend went that route. The business makes the dawn appointment for you, something you can do yourself. You pay their fee plus what the U.S. Embassy requires. She left Morelia about 1 a.m. in a van with about 10 other people, and they arrived at the Embassy at dawn to stand in line.
Almost every person in the van was denied a visa. The only exception was an elderly couple who wanted to visit a relative in the U.S. The van drove back the same day.
These services are useless because they do nothing you cannot do on your own, but people fall for them. They are scams.
When my wife first got her visitor visa, we went through the dawn process. Except for the early hour and having to stand in line (her, not me. I wandered off to be a tourist. I had been told I could not enter, but others did take relatives in, and nothing happened.), it went quite smoothly. We had lugged all manner of documentation, banks, employment, etc., but the sole thing the agent — an amiable young woman — was interested in was the marriage license. On seeing that, she was immediately approved.
Though the agent was very nice, my wife said the agent next to hers who was dealing with other people was a total asshole, brusque and rude. It’s a crap shoot who you get and, as you were told, they decide on the spot. To a great degree, it’s pure luck.
Ten years later, when it expired (last year), we returned to Mexico City to renew it. The renewal process is far easier. You have a specific hour to show up. It’s not at the Embassy but at a separate office nearby in the Zona Rosa. There is no line to stand in. She was in and out with the second 10-year visa in 15 minutes.
It pays to marry a Gringo.
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Kim G said:
Hola Felipe! Yes, the sheer capriciousness of the process is definitely the worst part. I’m sure you saw Charles’ comment. How the agents can even not look at the files amazes me, but I guess that’s the state of things. And yes, charging people to help with the process also seems kind of ridiculous. The best help would be talking to someone who had already been through the process, but aside from that, I think the best you can do is simply fill out the paperwork as completely as possible, dress well, and be as nice as possible during the interview. I’m glad your wife had no trouble with her renewal. Saludos and thanks for commenting!
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Charles said:
Hi Kim…it’s been awhile! We had an identical experience when Fabian applied the first time…we made the mistake of paying one of those visa assistance agencies to help…and for $300 USD all they did was submit a very generic application. We went prepared with all of the required info…bank statements, proof of university enrolment, family info and history, etc. His interview was on a Monday morning (bad sign!) and he dressed to the nines for it. Unfortunately the officer that did the interview did not open even one of the folders he had taken…he just looked at Fabian and said “You’re too young…come back when you finish school…” And that was that. Too much depends on the attitude of who does your interview.
We applied again last year…filled out the application ourselves (another $160 USD!) and he went to the interview dressed in his school clothes. The officer, who was Asian, asked if he wanted the interview in English or Spanish…Fabian said either was fine with him, which kind of surprised the officer… he asked what his major was in school…about his Mexican family and history. Taking a bit of a risk, Fabian told him that he was legally married to a gringo and wanted the visa so he could accompany me to visit my friends in the US…the officer actually congratulated him on our marriage and approved the 10-year visa! So I think much depends, as I said, on the attitude and mindset of whomever does the interview.
Your article reminded me of our nightmare the first time around…it can definitely be a very disheartening experience. I joked with Fabian and told him that now he knows why so many just jump the fence! Thanks for sharing…hope all is well with you…saludos desde Guadalajara!
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Felipe Zapata said:
I wrote my comment before reading yours. Too bad you fell for the “visa assistance” scam.
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Kim G said:
It does seem like a scam. I wonder how many of those “visa assistants” actually have their own visa?
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Kim G said:
Hola Charles! Who knew I’d touch a nerve with this post? I’m sure you saw Bill’s comment, and now you’ve had a similar experience. Sadly, the second time was not a charm for F, but I’m glad it was for your “F,” Fabian. More than anything else, it’s the sheer capriciousness of the process that I find galling. And there was a fair bit of detail I left out of the story, but let it suffice to say that I spent some coin having a Mexican immigration attorney prep F for the meeting, and still “no cigar.” Saludos and thanks for sharing your story!
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William said:
Your post hits very close to home.
Alejandro had also traveled abroad… spent time in Germany, and had traveled twice to Canada. Before we had ever met, he had applied for a U.S. visa and had been denied. Apparently he was denied because he had once applied for and had received a visa to to travel to Colombia (although he ended up never using it).
After we met he tried again. I even wrote a letter, as you did, but I don’t think he ever submitted it. (Thank goodness!) The interviewer asked him why in the world he wanted to travel to Cleveland. Fortunately he knew enough from me about the city to tell them that he wanted to hear the renowned Cleveland Orchestra, visit our world-class art museum, and go to Cedar Point amusement park. (I don’t know if he mentioned that he had a friend in Cleveland.)
When he finally received his passport back, he just about fainted when he saw that he had been granted a 10 year visa!!! In a month he will be making his 4th visit to Ohio, and he has made a number of trips visiting a cousin in Texas.
On his second trip up here he was almost turned back. We had arranged for him to fly to Chicago. I would meet him there, and we would spend a couple days with friends of mine in Chicago before going on to Ohio. Unfortunately, he did not have the address of my friends, but he was finally able to convince the guy at passport control to let him through.
¡Saludos!
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Kim G said:
Hola Bill! Wow, that does sound like a close call. It is possible that F’s rejection had something to do with having been in Colombia more than once. I guess that Mexicans who travel to Colombia are probably presumed to be involved with the drug trade? Who knows? But from what I learned later, the letter was not a good idea either. But yes, once Mexicans get a tourist visa, it usually is for a ten-year period. And it was fast thinking of Alejandro to mention the world-famous Cleveland Orchestra and the museums. I hope you guys have a great time together. Saludos, and thanks for the fantastic anecdote!
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Alfredo Lanier said:
Thanks to some super-cheap rate Stew worked out , we have often stayed at the Sheraton next to the bunker-like US Embassy, a building that for ugliness and unfriendliness is right up there with the Soviet embassy in Havana. And the lines of poor bastards waiting hours and hours, and as you mentioned, being rejected for whatever reason the immigration official dreams up. On the other hand, I know some Mexicans that have six-year visas to go visit the U.S. whenever they want to. I have no clue how the system works or what criteria the immigration gendarmes use. But it’s kind of ironic that a suggested “love interest” in effect kills your chances of getting a visa, regardless of other factors.
al
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Kim G said:
Hola Al! Indeed, had I only known about this unspoken policy, I would never have done what I did. It was a tough way to learn the rules. Though I’ve never stayed at the Sheraton there, I often stay near the US Embassy when I’m in DF. Saludos and thanks for your comment!
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redshoesarebetterthanbacon said:
The application fee for a US tourist visa is $160. It’s been over the $100 mark for over a decade.
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Kim G said:
I knew someone was going to call me on specifics. My recollection was hazy, and I didn’t particularly feel like looking it up. Thanks for the correct info. Saludos and thanks for stopping by!
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